In addition to the story on the protest, religion reporter Tim Townsend wrote up his weekly column in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch about the Issues, Etc. story. Lots of stuff to chew on here:
Lutheran radio program’s demise is a symptom of larger ills
When about 75 people gathered outside the international headquarters of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod this week, it was a rare display of public dissension among the members of a relatively quiet Christian denomination.
Catholics, Episcopalians and evangelicals have grabbed the headlines lately. Lutherans, even those of the more conservative Missouri-Synod stripe, have largely dealt with their differences internally. (The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, a separate Lutheran body, is considered more liberal.)
But that changed last month when church officials silenced one of its own public voices. When the church pulled the plug on its KFUO-AM program, “Issues, Etc.,” and fired its host and producer, the show’s fans turned up the volume.
“Issues, Etc.” aired from 3 to 6 p.m. daily locally and was available by podcast around the world. The show also aired Sunday evenings and was syndicated to 11 markets outside St. Louis. Tina Finch, 44, an audiologist from Ida Grove, Iowa, drove eight hours to be at Monday’s protest. She said 19 members of her family — spread out from Wyoming to South Carolina — had become Lutherans over the last decade primarily because of “Issues, Etc.”
The show had a conservative, traditionalist theological bent that stressed a strict adherence to the Book of Concord, the 16th-century work that defined the central doctrines of Lutheranism. Christians whose spiritual lives are guided strictly by that work are often called confessional Lutherans.
Reaction to the show’s cancellation has escalated in the last four weeks.
Bloggers have been particularly aggressive in pressing church officials to explain the surprise move.
An op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal condemned the decision to pull the show and said the church was divided over how to attract new members. The denomination’s president, the Rev. Gerald Kieschnick, responded with a letter to the editor denying there is division.
But Kieschnick’s words, and a church statement explaining that the decision to cancel the show was largely an economic one, had anything but a calming effect on the unhappy, confused — and by this time angry — “Issues, Etc.” fans.
Earlier this week, 200 supporters from around the country met at a St. Louis church for fellowship, prayer and bratwurst, and the next day many staged the protest at the denomination’s headquarters in Kirkwood. Outside the church’s gleaming glass building, some of the show’s fans wore “I’ve got Issues, Etc. with the LCMS” T-shirts, sported “God made me a Christian. ‘Issues Etc.’ made me a Lutheran” buttons, and carried signs asking, simply, “Why?”
The church stuck to its earlier explanation that the show was canceled for “programmatic and business” reasons. In an interview earlier this week, David Strand, the executive director of the church’s communications board, said the station had lost $3.5 million in the last seven years.
Strand also said the program’s audience was too narrow. —”‘Issues’ was a strong show, but where we stand now in terms of listenership, it seems wise to try some news things to broaden our reach,” he said.
Critics say the church’s audience numbers don’t include the large number of people who listened to the show online via podcasts. Strand said that “Issues, Etc.” was downloaded more than any other KFUO-AM program, but that in order to succeed, the station needs “live listeners” and that “it’s not accurate to say every download translates to a listener.”
The church currently produces seven religious shows, one of which is a replacement for “Issues, Etc.” The new program, called “The Afternoon Show,” is different from “Issues, Etc.,” said Strand, in that “it doesn’t dwell largely on Lutheran apologetics at a sophisticated level. It still takes its Gospel proclamation seriously, but it finds new ways to capture attention.”
Despite Kieschnick’s message to the contrary, there is a disagreement among Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod factions that have differing visions for the church’s future.
“There is, and has been for some time, notable division in Synod on a number of issues,” said Korey Maas, a theology professor at Concordia University in Irvine, Calif., which is affiliated with the church. “Though I don’t know if anyone can say definitively if these differences were the cause of the termination of ‘Issues, Etc.’”
Many of the protesters said the current administration is too focused on recent evangelical megachurch growth models instead of on traditional Lutheran doctrine. That, they say, is watering down 500 years of Lutheran history.
“This is a symptom of a much larger problem,” said the Rev. Charles Henrickson, pastor of St. Matthew Lutheran Church in Bonne Terre, Mo. “This is about whether we retain our Lutheran identity or just blend in with American evangelicalism.”
Strand said politics had nothing to do with the decision to pull “Issues, Etc.” “This was a financial decision. All 2.5 million of our members would call themselves confessional Lutherans, so I’m not sure where this idea of division comes from,” he said. “Like most denominations, we have differences of opinion on things … but Dr. Kieschnick wants a deeper sense of peace throughout the church.”
That sense of peace would be much easier to attain, some say, if the denomination were on stronger financial footing.
“It’s no secret synod is not in great financial health,” said Maas.
Strand would not say whether the church is considering a sale of its stations (it also owns classical station KFUO-FM), but he did say they were in financial trouble and that —”‘Issues’ was the largest and most obvious cut at our disposal.”
That explanation is unlikely to satisfy the most vocal “Issues, Etc.” supporters who see something more than money in the reasons for its cancellation.
“The Missouri Synod is a highly volatile church body right now,” said the Rev. Frederic W. Baue, pastor of Bethany Evangelical Church in Fairview Heights.
“There is a definite split between those who favor the megachurch marketing approach to outreach ministry,” said Baue, “and those who trust the word of God and the sacraments to do the job of bringing people to the faith.”
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I’ve been trying really hard to give certain leaders the benefit of the doubt. But the comments that keep coming just aren’t leading me to believe they understand the viewpoints of those who are upset by recent actions.
“Strand said…I’m not sure where this idea of division comes from,” What? Didn’t he read the Report and the 22 reasons we’re supposed to recognize to unite the Synod??? Poor choice of words.
“Strand would not say whether the church is considering a sale of its stations (it also owns classical station KFUO-FM), but he did say they were in financial trouble and that —”‘Issues’ was the largest and most obvious cut at our disposal.””
It could have also been the surest turn-around if they were looking to capitalize on its popularity. 15 cents a download, anyone? I honestly believe that the best construction I can put on the decision at this point is that they want to sell the station and use the money from the sale (elsewhere).
“Strand also said the program’s audience was too narrow. —”‘Issues’ was a strong show, but where we stand now in terms of listenership, it seems wise to try some news things to broaden our reach,” Why did Issues have to get cut to try new things? Why did the most popular show have to be cut? Makes no sense to me. Not even Barry Bonds got cut.
“”The Afternoon Show,” is different from “Issues, Etc.,” said Strand, in that “it doesn’t dwell largely on Lutheran apologetics…”
Stop there, and we may just have our answer for the reasons behind the recent actions.
I’ve been so angry at myself for doubting our leadership initially. I have vowed to stay patient and wait things out. But the more I hear, the more I hear that certain leaders: just; don’t; care.
Their words speak louder and cut sharper than any hearsay or speculation ever could.
Both Strand and Kieschnick are supposed to be public relations experts.
What do they give us? Newspeak!
What kind of Kabuki dance is this? They know they are lying. We know they are lying. But still they continue to talk.
Do they believe that saying something makes it come true?
Strand is so deep into magical thinking, he may never recover.
“Strand said that “Issues, Etc.” was downloaded more than any other KFUO-AM program, but that in order to succeed, the station needs “live listeners” and that “it’s not accurate to say every download translates to a listener.””
If this were a secular station the “live listeners” comment may have merit – may have. But I thought KFUO is a mission outreach type of project. Do all of our missions have to turn a profit now?
As for every download not translating into a listener; I’m sure some downloads were made without ever being heard, but sometimes one download will be heard by multiple listeners. I often downloaded shows in mp3 format and saved them on an SD memory card or burned them on a CD for others to listen to. In that case one download would translate into 2 or 3 listeners.
Chipster22,
I did the same thing, too, burning off audio cds for others, who either weren’t too computer savvy or just didn’t have the time to download the programs or burn them off.
I admit I haven’t listened to The Afternoon Show, but for those of you with the stomach to do so, do you find it to be serious about Gospel proclamation?
[...] events that includes some interpretations and some quotes that you should read. (Link courtesy the Augsburg1530 blog and Mollie Z. [...]
I don’t know how else to say this without it coming off as a put down to Mr. Strand and Kieschnik, but trust me my intention isn’t to cut them down, I’m just trying to make a point:
The way Kieschnik and Strand handle PR is strikingly similar to the way Saddam’s regime used to handle PR.
Saddam’s Spinster: “America is not advancing towards Baghdad and they will die like dogs”. (Even though we were knocking his royal guards down left and right)
Strand/Kieschnik: “There’s no deep split in the LCMS, all 2.5 million members are Confessional Lutherans. We’re all hunky dorey.” (Really? Well I’ve got a list of over 7000 petitioner’s, and a zillion blogs who are deeply and rightfully concerned with the current direction the LCMS hierarchy is taking them. Did they perchance decide one day to just be upset over the current hierarchy for no good reason?)
Gosh, they’re like an ostrich with their head in the sand, “There’s no division! There’s no division! Everythings just fine! Well….let me look real quick. Yikes! Division! *head back in the sand* Everything is just fine, we’re all one big happy family…
Cathy P.,
In response to Mr. D.Strand’s concern that the afternoon show needs to have a broader appeal. I have listened to the new afternoon show it has done shows for example on alcholism, autism, church history, and technology in the church . The alcholism and autism, are shows better done by other stations or even Oprah, the church history show was Marty Noland and he of course did a good job even though the questions were weak. The show on technology in the church was not done well but the really ironic thing about that show was when they started to talk about how the church can use radio and downloadable programs to further the GOSPEL. Ha! this was so strange to hear on the very time slot were our church leadership got rid of there most downloaded show that did just what this program was talking about (but not doing) Replacing it with a show that “has a broader appeal”. Our current leadership has forgotten that the truth of the Gospel does not have broad appeal, and because Christ was so narrow he was put to death so too our current leadership have forgotten there church history and have done what the pharisees of Jesus day did (silence the word of truth). Then our church leadership replaced it with a show that on April the 15th they talked about the church needing to use technology and specifically mentioned using the very technology our church just stopped using because it did not have a broad appeal. How foolish is that.
I have no doubt that President Kieschnick’s leadership is the greatest contributor to the reason Synod is in financial trouble. I personally have not given one red cent to a congregation or the LCMS without specifically designating its use. The strange thing is I’m not totally opposed to the use of new forms and structures to convey our Lutheran understanding of the Gospel. I’m OK with certain forms of contemporary and ancient/future worship – as long as it is faithful to Law/Gospel and Gottesdienst. But to be ashamed of the word Lutheran is a shame. But it started, or at least became sanctioned by LCMS leadership, when Kieschnick covered for Benke’s “…when you sent “A” son of God…” (emphasis mine) at the Oprah fest in Yankee stadium. It continued when Kieschnick replaced the CCM with people who openly supported his position and granted him amnesty from any charges. I lost total respect for his leadership when I observed him manipulate the convention floors (twice) and convention delegates with special dispensations granting him cronies on the various boards. He has shifted authority from the congregations to his level and now is in a position to do things like cut Issues and tell the congregations if they won’t get out their check books then he’ll reduce the services they are receiving. Cutting Issues was a “shot across the bow”. I have some issue (pun intended) with Kieschnick for not being to concerned about content even as I have to admit his vision of a church engaged with the Gospel was at first encouraging. But how he has implemented his vision is so dissapointing. He seems ashamed of core Lutheran ideas. And his leadership methods are about power and coercion and nothing about persuasion and influence. In my humble personal opinion, he is killing the beautiful church in which I heard the Gospel and left behind so much crap in my life that it is scary. I was going nowhere, and was scared to death of God believing that if I wasn’t perfect in my behavior God would not have me. It was exactly the freedom of the Gospel and the depth of preaching and teaching that drew me in and blossomed forth in faith and joy. Rather than dumbing down our outreach as Strand seems to want to do with his afternoon show (and he’s succeeded. I’ve listened and it is plain embarassing)we should celebrate what is distinctively ours. I feel like I’m stuck in the Old Testament with a king who is more concerned about his comfort (his triple digit salary) and power longing for a prophet to rise, a true leader, a humble and faithful man of God.
“The new program, called “The Afternoon Show,” is different from “Issues, Etc.,” said Strand, in that “it doesn’t dwell largely on Lutheran apologetics at a sophisticated level. It still takes its Gospel proclamation seriously, but it finds new ways to capture attention.””
This is the first explanation from Strand or Kieschnick that makes sense regarding motivation for the cancellation, though not the way in which it was handled. The problem was indeed with the *content* of the show.
I would agree with Strand’s description of Issues Etc. – but that’s exactly why it was such a powerful witness for the Lutheran Church. That’s why it drew thoughtful people into LCMS churches (including my own far outside KFUO’s listening area). I would also cede to Strand the point that such an approach is going to be more limited in its audience appeal than a more generic Christian show (after all, going for the lowest common denominator is the modus operandi of secular media). But I would ask, what is the point of the latter? Aren’t there enough generic Christian radio shows in St. Louis? Is another needed? If it’s not proclaiming Christ as Lutheran doctrine teaches, why does the LCMS bother? (Of course one’s answers to these questions will largely depend on where one comes down on the church growth issues as discussed in the article).
Why couldn’t Strand have said this up front? We could have a productive dialogue along these lines. Perhaps a live radio show was not the best format for Issues Etc. – could we have found a better and more cost-effective medium and format for the show? Quite a few ideas that have been kicked around here and elsewhere but these were never given a chance. The fact that Strand and Kieschnick speak to the media but send form letters to LCMS parishioners demonstrates that Mollie’s approach has been necessary (cf. her correspondence with DP Mirly).
The most important question for me in this debacle that I would like know from Pres. Kieschnick: was the abrupt termination of Issues Etc simply poorly handled, or is this just one step in a purge of those who are not 100% in agreement with you about how the Church should witness to the world?
My concern still remains that the way things have been handled indicates that Synodical leadership wanted to kill Issues Etc., period. If so, that means they want me out of the Synod also as I agreed with what Issues Etc taught (which I understood to be orthodox Lutheran teaching). Perhaps I’m not simply being shown the door by Synod Leadership but being pushed through it.
“…but Dr. Kieschnick wants a deeper sense of peace throughout the church.’
Jeremiah 6:14 “They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. ‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.”
Did anyone notice how Strand conveniently failed to mention that Issues, Etc. was nationally syndicated with over 100 affilates?
Or, was he unaware of the national syndication of Isues, Etc.?
He replaced a local AND nationally syndicated show with a local, St. Louis-only show. This is supposed to expand the audience?
Is it possible that Strand didn’t know what he was cancelling?
Time will tell. The most important thing we can do, is not let these issues settle. What they want desperately is to have us expend all of our energy until we’re tired and can’t fight anymore, and then they’ll just sweep it all under the rug and continue along their current path, until finally we’re just a synod that happens to bear the name “Lutheran”.
What we must do, is simply remain united in our cause and resistance. If they want to push forward with their agenda, then we stand in their way (by some means), plant ourselves in front of them firmly and make them push us out of the way while we scream bloody murder through all means of the media. “If you want us to move, then you’re going to have to make us”.
Let’s not take too big of a bite, instead lets chew on what we can. I’m afraid that if we start looking for rapid results we’re going to get discouraged when they don’t appear, and then we’ll just throw our hands up in the air give up. Personally, I think our first goal as confessional Lutherans is to unite ourselves firmly (We’re getting there…) so that we aren’t easily scattered, and then we go from there: it could be that we put up a stronger fight, or we could be so united that the time would come for us to split. Who knows, this church like all churches is in God’s hands, and that should be extremly comforting to us.
Just when I thought it was enough junk for one day – here we go again!!!
http://lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008804190367
NEW YORK – More than 250 Christian leaders from just about every tradition with a presence in the United States filled a small German Catholic church yesterday and recited the Lord’s Prayer with Pope Benedict XVI…At the brief prayer service, which lasted hardly more than a half-hour after Benedict’s arrival, the pope told his guests that unity among Christians must come from prayer…But there seemed to be only good feelings in the Yorkville church yesterday, as the symbolic power of the diverse Christian gathering left its mark.”Everybody is so amped up,” said the Rev. David H. Benke, president of the Atlantic District of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod based in Bronxville. “It’s such a sign of hope for people when religious leadership comes together. People are excited to have been chosen to participate.”
PARTICIPATE. Can someone explain how cowtailing to the Papacy has anything to do with a Lutheran understanding of the Gospel, church, and mission? This from the man who doesn’t know the difference between Jesus a son of God and Jesus the one and only begotten Son of God. But we can’t offend the Muslims and certainly we can’t ignore the importance of the Papacy and let a little thing like the truth of Jesus get in the way can we? No wonder we don’t have Issues anymore.
Posted by: here we go again | April 19, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Wow, this is what is called a “blood boiling shocker”. It’ll certainly be interesting to see where we go from here. I was a mere sophmore in highschool when the 9/11 prayer scandal occurred, and at that time my mind was elsewhere. I still don’t know the full details, but does everyone think Benke will get away with this one as well?
“…but does everyone think Benke will get away with this one as well?”
Of course he will. Now, no congregation or pastor can even bring charges against him. Who could stop him?
“I still don’t know the full details [about the Benke YS scandal]”
Learn the details by reading the Schulz Report, including the appendicies.
Corrigenda: I am pastor of Bethany Evangelical LUTHERAN Church, Fairview Heights, ILLINOIS. But… a forgiveable typo, and OK in the context. I thought the author did a very good job of reporting. He presented the crux of the issue well. We should commend him for his good work.
[...] New St. Louis Post-Dispatch story In addition to the story on the protest, religion reporter Tim Townsend wrote up his weekly column in the St. Louis [...] [...]
What is bloody frustrating to me is that one can read all of this intellegent response to what has been written and said, but Strand and Kieshnick and their ilk aren’t seeing it or giving a rip about it. They have insulated themselves. It is true. They won’t talk to us, only lie to the newspapers. This to me is just incredible! They have managed to make themselves untouchable through every kind of skullduggery. They rely on “good Lutherans” making nice while they themselves use evil tactics. Lord, please help us and bring these men into correction. And if they won’t be corrected remove them!
Benke’s own comments about how great it was to great “his holy father” the Pope:
I begin with a major thank you to our Atlantic District Ecumenical Officer, Pastor John Hannah, who did the yeoman’s share of the work in communicating with the Archdiocese, and with transporting and arranging for Drs. Kieschnick and Nafzger. Those on the local Lutheran/Roman Catholic dialog team were also notably present and active in dialog through the afternoon. …
With heightened security and advance preparations, plus many musical offerings, we were in the sanctuary by 4:00 PM for the 6:00 PM service. This allowed time for interpersonal interaction and dialog among the diverse attendees, which was most appreciated and productive. …
After the benediction, the ecumenical greetings took place, beginning with the national ecumenical leaders. I was the first local leader to be called forward. As I approached the altar, my name was announced as the Bishop of the Atlantic District of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. At the same moment I was approaching and greeting the Pope – “Holy Father, I am most privileged to represent the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and its members.”
With that stereophonic mention of the LCMS, Pope Benedict’s face lit up, and he responded most enthusiastically, grasping my hands, “Ah! The Missouri Synod Lutheran!! Please greet them all in the Missouri Synod for me!”
This was very obviously, certainly to me, but to all who saw it, not a formal response, but a very real interaction, very animated, personal and joyful. And, I believe, of import. So I went forward with the next phase, saying, “As you know, the Missouri Synod is the baptismal home of our mutual friend Father Richard John Neuhaus.” Again, he responded warmly and grasped my hands, saying “Yes! Wonderful!” Neuhaus was right. Mention of his name brought a smile to the Holy Father’s face.
Then I ended by stating, “I am thankful for the theme you have chosen – Christ Our Hope. It mirrors the simple confession of Martin Luther, ‘Was Christum treibet.’ God bless you.” And then, having greeted, I returned to my seat. …
http://www.alpb.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=6929 288d16992fd4635a32e333a34e22&topic=1356.195
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Why are these reporters not thinking to ask David Strand why Jeff and Todd were fired on the spot if this decision was truely financial? Last time I checked, even most non-Christians give people a notice before getting laid off.
Did anyone else see the quote from the pope:
“May the word of God we have heard this evening inflame our hearts with hope on the path to unity,”
Even he is en fuego!